Madi & IllustraAmanda CryptoChicks COO and Fenix Artist | Episode 216

NFT 365 Podcast - Episode 216 - Madi & IllustraAmanda CryptoChicks COO and Fenix Artist

Today’s special guest on the podcast is Madi, the COO of Crypto Chicks, which most of you are very familiar with me being a super fan of that collection. It also happens that be one of our most popular past episodes was with their CEO & CMO, Emm.

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We also have a special guest Amanda (translated by Jess), the talented artist behind Fenix joining to talk to us about her experience and recent announcement in collaboration with CryptoChicks..

Crypto Chicks has set the standard high for setting procedures and taking action to build trust during a hectic scenario. Hear more about their story regarding holding their team accountable while leading the way for others to learn from their experiences.

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Episode 216 – Madi & IllustraAmanda CryptoChicks COO and Fenix Artist

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NFT 365 Podcast - Episode 216 - Madi & IllustraAmanda CryptoChicks COO and Fenix Artist

Kevin Sturmer 0:00
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Brian Fanzo 0:46

Alright thanks everybody for jumping in. We are recording a podcast here of NFT 365. We are doing it live on all the all the spaces as well as the social networks, we are live streaming it out on YouTube and LinkedIn and into our Facebook group and also live streaming the audio out to Twitter spaces. So thanks, everybody who’s tuning in live. If you have to jump out early, or you can’t see a little thing, just know this will be episode 215. So it’ll be tomorrow’s episode, daily podcast kind of works out nice. So it’ll be tomorrow’s episode of the podcast out there and all of your favorite podcasting apps, or here on YouTube, because we do keep a video for all of the episodes. So with that being said, I’m gonna do just a quick pause, and then I’m gonna jump into the intro, and then we’re gonna bring our special guests one second. Welcome back to their episode of NFT 365. And, you know, in this not only changing world and landscape that we have here in NFT space, you’re the beauty of early adoption, the beauty of pushing the limits, and really expanding what’s possible here in web three and NFT’s you’re powered by the blockchain is that we get to experience a lot of firsts, and we get to not only drive cultural change, but actually be a lot of the leaders in how we can identify what change looks like. And also, in many ways, not allow, like the norms of web to and a lot of the things that kind of just became the way of life and things prior to be fully, you know, you’ll kind of seep into what we’re doing here in web three. And so, with that being said, part of the, the beauty of this is that we we get to take on that vehicle of setting a new culture, setting a new standard of what we believe should be how we kind of roll out, you know, amplify people how we create community, how we develop and design how we treat everyone with love, as I’m, you know, shout out to here being pride month with you know, love as a human right and, and so for me, the beauty of all of this is that we do get to set the culture and we do get to establish new things, but there’s also kind of that risk. And there’s also that idea that, you know, those of us that are first in many ways have to also be the ones that have to go through some of the trials and tribulations and, and a lot of the the lessons learned and it takes strong character strong belief in what we’re doing. And also just the belief that together we can make an impact. And, you know, for those on the podcast, we know that you know, the mantra of the podcast here when we started is was simply we are greater than me. And it’s that premise that we have to first be our best me or our best selves before we can be a greater we and as we look at that greater we and bring worlds together, you know, I’m excited to bring on we actually have two special guests today. So this will be a lot of fun. So I’m excited to bring on our first special guests, which will, you know, kind of will kind of set the stage here and then we will jump into the conversation. Maddie. Maddie is the CEO of crypto chicks as well as a really in depth, background. And Maddie, I’m excited to have you on the podcast. excited to have you here we have a lot of fun and bringing another special guest as well. But, Maddie, welcome to NF t 365.

Madi Lieber 3:58
Thanks so much for having me. This has been quite the production. I’m so impressed and really excited for the Convo we’re having today.

Brian Fanzo 4:03
Well, I’m excited to have you on and for my listeners, they’re definitely familiar with Crypto Chicks. It’s one that I’ve talked about, since the beginning. It’s a project that I love and I hold dearly and most know that, you know, with my wallet being compromised now a couple of three months ago, you know, I had some NFT’s that were stolen and and the community the listeners actually rallied together to pull some eath together and they were like which of your NFT’s Do you want us to save to be able to buy back from the hackers and it was a no brainer for me it was it was my crypto check the one that I initially flipped up to get I got three early on. I kind of had my eye on one Crypto Chick from the very beginning and been blessed to have that now and we were able to buy it back and I think our listeners for that and we also had I actually had to pull up the exact date because there’s NFT space where everything feels like dog years and in a way with how much time goes but back on episode 78. We of course had em from crypto chicks on the podcast. And it’s without question, one of our most popular episodes, so no pressure at all. There’s no pressure. But, you know, I think part of it is, you know, the beauty of what we’ve all been creating and kind of evolving. But before we get into like our special guests and where things are in the project and things, you know, I know you have a very, you’re not only interesting background, but you have a very, your experience has really set you up for success in this space, as well as opened some very beautiful ways that you can really help inspire women in web three, as well as tech. Give us a little bit about your background and how you found your NF T’s and crypto chicks as a whole.

Madi Lieber 5:37
Definitely. Yep. So my career has mainly been in big tech, doing special projects, programs, products for senior leaders at Google. And Facebook, now known as meta. And I’ve really enjoyed it, it gives me an opportunity to work on different things every day, you’re coming into work, and it’s a completely different day than what you had previously. But that meant that it was anything from you know, revamping recruitment processes to rolling out onboarding programs continue learning and development programs, some strategic operations things as well. And it was a really interesting work experience. But it also meant that some of the things I got to work on I was super, super passionate about so I was involved in revamping Meadows, women in product organization last fall. And I had so many conversations with women about this transition to meta and web three in the metaverse and some of these really influential like kick ass women were saying things like, Oh, I can’t do that. It’s the dark web, or I don’t know how to get involved in that space. And it’s too scary or intimidating. And I was like, Oh my gosh, no, like these really early adopters, influential women in tech, like just super kick ass knowledgeable. Women weren’t able to kind of like get excited about getting involved in this space, the rest of us are so screwed. And so I started diving a little bit deeper into NFT’s, myself, the web three ecosystem and trying to see what I could do with that learning, development and strategic operations kind of niche to basically bring more women into the space. So my my Twitter bio is personal mission to bring more women into web three. And I really feel like that’s a guiding Northstar. For me that’s helped to anchor everything that I do in this space. And luckily, one of my first NFT’s was a crypto chick, got involved in the community got sucked in, just never came out the other side still here.

Brian Fanzo 7:27
Yeah, it’s like the end. And that’s kind of how that’s how this piece works as well, right? It’s the kind of like the, the beauty of, you know, this arena, and I love that background too. And not only, you know, with Meta, and you know, I think, let’s face it, there’s, you know, from a, from a standpoint of tech, and people that are in this space, I mean, you’re working for the biggest names in the space, and really, you know, being able to drive the most change. And I think with driving change also becomes, you know, you have your haters and you have lovers and you have your kind of your welcoming NFT space. But I think the the beauty is, you know, and I will say, you know, there’s not it’s not all sunshine and rainbows here in this web three space. But, you know, I don’t think there’s anyone that I’ve come across that is saying, you know, we don’t see the the opportunity to really not only open doors for women in web three, but really kind of reset this, you know, really unbalanced, you know, equation that existed in in all over the world, but especially in the tech space, especially in the in the bleeding edge space. So I love that you brought that in. I’m curious, you know, when that you kind of brought brought in early to crypto chicks, and you were, you know, a member we’ve had, you know, board Becky was on with what she did with, you know, fame ladies, we had data NFT, who was also on kind of, you know, community driven and community leader, you there’s a there’s a different kind of connection, I think early on, but then you’re on to a role where you’re driving leadership, and you’re teaming up with amazing leadership team, how did that go from, like, you know, fan and believer and crypto chicks to, I’m gonna take on a leadership role. And I’m gonna realize that this is gonna be much more than me holding a JPEG.

Madi Lieber 8:59
This is one of the things that I really enjoy talking about, because it’s truly a make your own destiny type situation, right? Web three gives you an opportunity as a community member to raise your hand and say, this is something that’s not going that well, or we could do this in a much more efficient way. Or this could be a really big opportunity for us. And you can start providing value for the projects that you care about without even being on the team versus in web two, or some of these more traditional industries. It’s certainly possible, right? Like you can’t provide value and work on a special project or product for meta or Google until you work there or for a startup until you’re part of their leadership team. But here there’s this opportunity for you to use your voice and your talents start providing value, and then teams will recognize that and bring you on right and so for me, I just kind of started saying like, Hey, I see that you’re doing it this way. This is a way you go could save a lot of time or this could be done better. And I think you kind of just ingratiate yourself to the right people and you end up working and building partnership relationships across projects and it it really ends up working out. And this isn’t a unique experience to me either, right? A lot of the people that I have, like, you know, informal mentee mentor relationships within the space, this is a pattern that we see time and time and time again, the one caveat that I give is, it’s much better in this situation to put all or most of your eggs in one basket than it is to spread across, right. So you should identify projects that you really care about, and teams missions that you really believe in and then work to build up your kind of social and political capital with one or two projects rather than across, you know, I

Brian Fanzo 10:33
cannot agree more. And I can speak from experience, you know, we’re buying an NF T every single day, right? So today is your 215 NF T’s that we bought, you know, in a row, and I am about spread is about thin as you can possibly be when it comes to your activity. And so I will have people reach out like, Brian, you love this project you talk about all the time, but I don’t see you active in there. And I’m like, I know, I’m a little bit of a caveat to that, you know, different scenario. But I think you’re so right, like, when you do kind of lean in on one or two or a couple projects, you’re able to really connect with that culture in that community and kind of take on some of those roles.

Madi Lieber 11:07
And I think there’s a difference between holding a lot of projects, believing in them in terms of social value, versus you trying to build up a relationship with that team to eventually work with them. Right. And so I imagine if there were one or two projects where you wanted to join the team, or do something that was like a longer term partnership initiative, you would probably invest in, like more heavily one or the

Brian Fanzo 11:25
two, without question. And even, you know, like, from my team, you know, helping me kind of manage this world that we’ve created with this daily podcast, you know, like, there’s certain projects that I’m like, we need these, you know, announcements being posted in mind. So I get the notifications, right. And, and for me, that’s like, Hey, I don’t want to miss out the opportunity. But I also, you want to kind of believe in that greater good. And you’ll Crypto Chicks for me, you know, I’ve been very blessed, I’ve been thankful that I’ve been welcomed as an ally and advocate in many communities. And far before web three, I like to say, you know, I was the grand marshal of the LGBTQ plus parade back in 2003. And I was the, you know, sis, white male that was welcomed in into that community. And I remember since that day, you’ll like learning and growing. And for me, part of the beauty of web three, you know, especially for those that identify as male that are out there is that every women led project just about everyone on that project has been extremely welcoming, but also not only welcoming, but allowing us to find what is like our role in this culture in this community and, and how we can play a part. And I think, you know, for me, not only because that is something ingrained, but I’m also a girl dad, I have three, three little girls that so in my, in my heart of hearts that like my true, Northstar is making a better life and a better world for my my three daughters who actually just left here probably about half hour ago, and they know the Crypto Chicks NFT they are very aware of it. And when I had picked up my second and third, we went with pink hair. So all three of mine have pink hair. And my daughter was like, Are they gonna convince you or tell you that you don’t need another one with pink hair, daddy, and I was like, Okay, I was like, I know, I kind of love, you know, leaning into my own, you know, you know, culture inside. And, and so, you know, for those that you know, as Crypto Chicks kind of grew. And I think as women that projects were really kind of finally kind of getting the the attention that they deserve not because they were women led to project because they were great projects, that happened to be projects that were that are led by women, there was also just kind of like this, I know, I think of like the winter timeframe, right? The December, January, February timeframe of just this like emergence of like, what is what does it mean to grow a project? And what does it mean to be more than just, you know, if you launch the project last fall, you could pretty much sneeze and the project sold out? Right? Like it was like a, it was very much like okay, here, here it is. But like, what does that mean? And I remember with when M was on the show, talking a little bit about like that origin of Crypto Chicks and where things have gone. And, you know, that brought us kind of into this year, right? And Crypto Chicks walked in and faced some controversy earlier in the year. And I remember seeing it for me, right. And I remember, you know, it kind of coming across the feed and as an an advocate, and actually, you know, the episode with am had dropped, like mid to late January. So, you know, it was very fresh and a lot of people’s minds. And you as someone that believes in change believes in the power of great people. You know, I looked at what was going on and like, hey, I want to assess I want to see what’s what’s happening. And then as I think more things came to light for me, my commitment and belief in Crypto Chicks was really ingrained in the leadership right in the leaders grip, and really the connection that so many in the community had, but talk to us a little bit about how was that? You know, we’re gonna we’re gonna bring on our special guests here in a minute. And we’ll kind of connect some of these dots. But how was that, you know, I can only imagine as that kind of was brought to light. And you know, for all those that are out here, as you’re hearing that he share this, there was no blueprint, there was no way of like, how do you make this work or how do you figure this out? And and so give us a little bit of that background and for our audience and talk to us a little But how that all kind of came to light in February?

Madi Lieber 15:02
Personally for me paint the scene for you. I was still working at at Facebook at the time and was involved in crypto chicks more in like an advisory capacity, I was just helping out with some of the operational stuff. And I had a horrible week at work like I’m talking awake until 245, working, waking up at six or 7am to go back to work. That’s a typical for tech. That’s no, we’re not in finance in New York City. And so that’s not a normal schedule. And that was really tough. And it was, you know, just hard for me as a person. So, you know, that Friday night where we started kind of buzzing and finding out about this, I was getting ready to go to bed at like 7pm. And my phone was vibrating so much that it fell off the counter. And I was like, Oh my God, what happened, I thought something had happened to my family, honestly. And when I got on, I didn’t feel relieved that it was not my family, I felt horrible. I was like, This is my worst nightmare. This is the exact opposite of the reason that I got into the space. And I think the rest of the team felt the same. We all got onto a call to even try to figure out at this time, we didn’t have any of the information, right? We were finding everything out on Twitter, we had no insight Intel whatsoever. We’re trying to get a hold of, you know, Polly who’s like asleep in Russia. And it was, it was really hard on on the team, right? And it’s not because we feel we’re feeling like we were in a situation where we were the hardest hit it was just because we were all so disappointed because it wasn’t aligned with our personal ethos. And the reason that we had been working so hard on the project. Luckily, I have done a lot of outage management and you know, like, designed standard operating procedures for how to deal with like escalations and crises in support organizations at Google. So leaned on that a little bit. But you’re right, there is no playbook for dealing with this, right. And in a huge company, the standard operating procedures are okay, you call the emergency on call who’s in comms, you call the emergency on call, and legal and engineering and product, and they all get together. And then you do have a single person who kind of runs the show. But you’re not building that from scratch, right? That infrastructure exists. And in this situation, we didn’t have those people on call. And so we really did have to tap into and rely on a lot of connections to quickly form a cross functional team that was going to be able to help and advise so that this wasn’t, you know, led completely by us. And it wasn’t a blind leading the blind situation. And instead, we really got the right advisors to be able to help make sure that we handled this in the right way.

Brian Fanzo 17:38
Yeah, and for those that are listening, so like that, it was like that Friday, there was, you know, some tweaks and some screenshots being shared that said, hey, this art doesn’t look original. And there were some people that were, you know, tagging and saying, Hey, we see art that is elsewhere that it looks like crypto checks. And for anyone that seen crypto chicks art, and this is a testament to Amanda and her vision, you know, long before she was involved in the, in the truth in the project is it’s beautiful. It’s so well done in a way of being simple yet, you know, it brings to light like emotion and so many variables in it. But you know, I remember seeing that, and I was sick to my stomach. And it’s not because I like as a holder of the bag, but also like, oh my goodness, this, this can No It happens every single day in the real world and web two, and it’s been happening for far too long. But for many of us, we believe web three is the chance for us to kind of reset where it’s not about, you know, allowing people to steal people’s jokes or, you know, memes or, like eff Jerry and, you know, that agency for what they’ve done for, you know, comedians and, and that kind of things. But it was also you know, during that time, like you’re finding out people are wanting answers. You’re not only as a team kind of figuring out how do we bring on all these things to handle the crisis? But also there’s, like, you know, what is the truth? What is the non truth? Where does this go? How do we bring in, you know, original artists, can we figure things out, and I think doing that in a way where you also have 10,000 co owners, right, and let’s just put that out there for everyone, like the most impatient humans that I believe exist and I fall into that right is our NFT motors. But there’s also this element of weight if this is true, I want to know what you’re doing. But I don’t think a lot of people allow is if this is true, to be given enough light to like kind of do that research and then also kind of move forward those early times and then we’re gonna we’re gonna bring in Amanda here in a second. Those Those that weekend and that kind of like that next time, as you were kind of coming on board more full time you’re kind of going through what what the crisis some of the decisions are, not only was there no way to like blueprint of handling it technically publicly in this web three arena, but also like what did that mean for you know, the the project, funds of the project and then also like the future of the project, and for those that also don’t know, they just dropped the potion and there was this idea of of the next rendition of of art that was coming. How did you know? As you kind of start to kind of weave through the truth and figure that piece out? I’m curious from those that are listening that are that are wondering like, oh my goodness, if that happens to us, what it what are like the, what are the decisions on like, how do we communicate? But also how do we make sure that we aren’t communicating something that we haven’t validated yet? How did you guys go through that kind of period?

Madi Lieber 20:23
Yeah, it’s really, there’s so much to do at the same time, and everything is super important. And I think that was probably the hardest thing for us to kind of navigate through is like, how do you even go about prioritizing when everything is a P zero are everything is on fire, right. And so we were able to delegate a decent amount of work to experts, right. And so from a legal perspective, brought in lawyers for that, from a PR perspective, you have your team for that. And I think that’s really important. I will say, teams get very nervous about spending money to solve problems, and they’d much rather just kind of shove them under the rug and hope that they go away. But at the end of the day, getting an expert to advise your team is a really good use of your money, right? Like that’s a good investment to make, and to make sure that you’re doing it the right way, not only for your team, but also for everyone involved, right like this wouldn’t have been, it wouldn’t have been a better outcome for Amanda for us to not have individuals advising us on this, because then there’s a bunch of people that are running around with no idea what they’re doing. And so I think that it’s really important for everyone involved to build their core team that they need to be successful. But as a project, you’re right, we have 10,000 NFT’s out there. And there are 1000s and 1000s of people that are holding these that are sitting here saying what the actual heck is going on? Not so nice of language. But not only that, you also then have every, you know, concentric circle around every single holder asking what the hell’s going on. And so you have all of these people who are not even your holders pouring in, and you often don’t have the infrastructure set up to deal with that. And so we had to onboard a lot of mods really quickly, I ended up staying up, you know, we were basically taking shifts across the leadership team taking like three hours of sleep to make sure that there was always somebody online who could help and deal with anything or respond to things that came up and helped to stabilize the team. Another really important thing is team culture, right? Like, we bought a Starbucks gift card, put it out to the team and said, Everyone keep yourself caffeinated, well fed, get yourself a treat, go get your wife or your husband to treat if they are, you know, dealing with you being online all this time. And then also from a strategy prospective, getting together as a team and saying, what does this look like for us moving forward so that we are able to really support the community. And for us, we basically took a zero sum look at this and said, old crypto chicks days are over right? That is a different time, we need to decide what this new era of crypto chicks looks like. And for us that primary Northstar was serving the community and honoring the community. And so everything that we looked at, in terms of our new projects and initiatives was framed around the community. So honoring the holders of the Time Machine potions, even if in a different way, making sure that our OG holders felt like they were still connected and how to new a place in this new era was specific, the most important thing for us

Brian Fanzo 23:05
not only in from the outside, I just remember, like, I had count, I think I stopped counting it like 50 messages that I had got, you know, and I’m not, you know, not I don’t hold a giant bag. But for me, it was like people, there’s like asking, like, what are you doing? Or how are you looking at this and, and I remember, you know, I have yet to be able to meet yourself where I am. And personally, I will simply solve that in New York, yes. And New York. And I was just, you know, I was messaging em. And I would just kind of saying, like, I know that you have way more messages and don’t reply to mine. But here’s just like me letting you know, I’m thinking about you. And I’m hoping that you know, that you’re understanding that a lot of this is coming from you know, there’s a lot of things going on and, and knowing their support. And I also felt like there there was an understanding from from a lot of people that I was in conversation with that, like, you know, we had to kind of look at this and say, this is a problem that we are going to not only continue to see but we’ve probably seen earlier in this space in many ways, but it was never either brought to light or did not have enough kind of like visibility on that. And so I think the way that that kind of all came and of course you know Amanda, who we’ve now brought on here to the podcast and excited to have manda on it and justice is joining us to translate for us for Amanda but I remember feeling so bad for Amanda from from long distance perspective of not only this onslaught of, you know, like, I mean, the NFT space when they, when they come they come heavy, right? And like the knee this is what you should do. And you know, we we jokingly say like not financial advice, but everyone loves in the NFT space to give unsolicited advice on what you should do what’s best how you should make, you know, make things happen. And so I think it was such an interesting thing from the outside to be just be like, You know what I I was thankful from my view that I was a holder and that I could, you know, be active in the discord and watch some of the things that could go on so I could share even publicly I think we did a podcast episode maybe Due to late February, and I kind of just shared my take on it and on crypto chicks as a whole, but I know also like, I mean, Amanda gets kind of thrust into this new area. Also, there’s existing art existing holders. There’s contracts you mentioned, like, you know, I love you were like hired experts. But like, I know for a lot of us is like, how do you hire an expert that understands this space enough to where, you know, you’re not doing a lot of that education? So talk to us a little bit about how those initial conversations went with bringing Amanda into the fold. And I would love to Amanda, throw some questions your way and on how this all came to light on your side as well. But Maddie, how did that kind of start to evolve early on with, you know, Amanda being tagged in and figuring out what was kind of going on? That was

Madi Lieber 25:42
one of the things that we kept reminding our team and almost every single internal announcement was, keep in mind that there’s somebody you know, we don’t want to use the words on the other side. But there’s another person involved in this storm right now who had no idea yesterday when they went to bed that this was coming for them, right. And so we understand the space, we know who these people are, we are used to getting tons of messages on Twitter, our skin is a little bit thicker. We’ve seen like you said things like this before, this is not the first time that there’s been a huge, you know, public storm of pitchforks, but it’s a very new experience for somebody else. And people are merciless, online, right. Like, my mom was getting messages somehow on Instagram, people found her personal Instagram saying like, You should be ashamed, you’re lucky, we don’t know where you live, we would come for your daughter. I can’t even imagine being on the other side of that where people’s bags are involved, right. And so people feel like they have financial incentive to try to disprove and kind of tear down Amanda’s story. And that really toxic and is awful to deal with. And so that’s one of the things that we still, you know, just Amanda and the rest of the Phoenix team we talk about a lot is like how do we help make all of the holders advocates and champions so that we can kind of dispel some of this misinformation. So I think that’s one big piece in terms of finding people tactically, if anybody’s listening to this, there are so many lawyers, PR teams that are really moving into this space. And anytime you send an email or request for an intro conversation before you even waste time meeting with them, you should ask them for examples and case studies of their work with other crypto and web three clients. Of course, everyone has to start somewhere. But you don’t want to start with somebody where this was the first case they’re ever taking in the space. So our lawyer for example, there and give him a quick shout out. He’s also the gutter cat gang lawyer. He’s incredible. And so I think that, you know, you end up finding people that are really invested in embedded in the space, he himself is a huge NFT holder. So he really understands the community, the culture and all of the principles and finding people like that are helpful for you. Because you don’t have to do any of that baseline education, like you’re talking about. You just don’t know what their anonymous profile is in the real world.

Brian Fanzo 27:46
Yeah. And I think that’s, you know, not only is it like finding the right mix, but also like finding people that can help take some of that off your shoulders, because even if they do know a little bit, but they don’t understand some of the nuances, there’s a lot that kind of goes into that. And So Amanda, thanks so much for jumping in. I can’t wait to talk a little bit about Phoenix and, and the things that you have going on there. But if you don’t mind, talk to us a little bit about like that February in those early days of finding out about crypto chicks, and like what that emotion was for you and kind of that onslaught of information that you were kind of inundated with

Amanda (translated by Jess) 28:16
You said it was really hard and weird that same time. She was woken up in the middle of the night because her phone was vibrating and flashing so much. And she realized that something was up because fat people started messaging her on her personal Twitter, her personal Instagram and the professional ones as well, when she does have a big audience already, but it was a bit weird. And they were messaging in English when her audiences Oh, President so she at first moment for Have I done something wrong. What happened? And yeah, so she she got scared that same time. She didn’t understand why people were saying, oh, yeah, look at this. And there were people sending DMS with links that had, of course, the Crypto Chicks page and the video, the pearl that probably everyone has seen that video with both art trays to one after the other. And then obviously, even though she doesn’t speak English, she understood what was going on. And people were messaging and saying, Oh, someone’s making millions out of it. You have to do something. But yeah, that’s basically how she found out because she didn’t know anything about at the NFT space, and obviously nothing about heart as well being used.

Brian Fanzo 29:55
I appreciate that context. I’m curious, you know Amanda from a standpoint of you know, as you’re realizing that you know there’s someone that had copied what your your creative work was, what was the what was the first like instinct was it you know let’s get them to take that down or let’s you know I can’t believe they’re doing what was like that first kind of you know emotional feeling that you felt as you want to kind of things slowed down a little bit.

Amanda 30:21
[native language]

Amanda (translated by Jess) 31:08
she felt a lot of anger. Because when she found out someone was profiting so much about on her art, something that she made. And as an artist living in Brazil, lives with a completely different lifestyle, completely, completely different background, her reality is completely different to many people who are involved in this space, terror realities from someone who wouldn’t be able to take money to invest. So it was really, really frustrating to see her work being used. And she said she felt that it was really unfair, especially because not only she didn’t know anything about space, and she had to learn about the space to then understand that their war was going on. And so it took a few days. She felt really angry also, because she realized that many people were taking her credit and saying that she was not the artist. So it was painful for her to see, you know, someone’s profiting from art. But in that same time, they’re saying that I’m leaving the artists,

Brian Fanzo 32:27
Oh, I feel that I feel that pain deeply. And I don’t I respect and I think we just have to own those that gut feeling where I think we sometimes even you know, from the artists perspective, not only realizing that some person might have taken your art and profited, but also just even the idea that, you know, people don’t believe me that it’s even my art because there’s like that, that they don’t want to believe what they don’t see. And I’m curious, Maddie, you and you’re kind of coming on to crypto chicks full time, in that sense, around the you know, the same time of a lot of this going on you when you you brought in lawyers from experts that are doing this space, there was also an understanding of like, you know, not only was is poly was poly and Russia and, you know, working with the project, but understanding okay, what are what are our possible options? Like? What are the things that we can can’t do, and I will say that from the outside, you know, I just want to put this out there, there are a lot of artists that probably wouldn’t have taken the time to learn this space and to, to step in and kind of welcome with what Amanda has done. There’s a lot of project leaders and founders that we know, would have just given up on the community given up on the project, you know, backed out? How did that like when you were first coming through? Like how can we make these this work best for everyone? Maddie, give us a little bit about like, how did that kind of relationship go. And it couldn’t have been easy. It also had to be a lot of education all the way around. So give us a little bit of insight into that initial kind of conversation with Amanda and the team.

Madi Lieber 33:51
You know, it’s funny, because one of the things that people ask, and I is, you know, what did the conversation look like for you all to decide, like, we’re still going to do this, and you’re not just going to walk away? And M and I kind of laugh when we talk about this because we never even had a conversation about us walking away. I mean, the conversation was, okay, Maddie, when are you going to quit your job? Right. And so that was I think that’s different than what we would see from a lot of project teams in the space where we have seen people rug or run away for far less. But that wasn’t a conversation that our team ever had. It was figuring out how do we move forward? And ultimately, you know, we decided that the only way for us to do that was to have a new era of Crypto Chicks that did not associate with the founding team. And that seemed like the best way for us to be able to move forward and to only have people involved that were 100% aligned with the mission moving forward and weren’t, you know, associated with any of the wrongs in the past. We also felt better about that from the perspective of bringing Amanda in and being able to say that we had really made a clean break and had a conversation with her out, this is a totally different team than the team who had originally done this, which I think is important, like in the conversations that we’ve had with Amanda and her team and the lawyers is, that’s a really important aspect of this resolution is that this is a different group of people that also stepped up that are honoring the community, who were, you know, associated with this. And that goes a really long way. And I think, you know, you said earlier, the reason that you still held and that you’re still invested and bought in is because of the leadership team. And we hear that time and time again, from everybody that was one of the most popular things that came up on the pulse check that we did with the community in the middle of this was the belief in the leadership team as in the new leadership team. So leaning into that was was really important. I also think taking a really like humble and honest approach to this and saying, you know, we, we, our mission is to support women. And even though we didn’t make this mess, we want to work on cleaning it up. And we are willing to do what we can to help and even come up with other ideas for ways that we can help support the new project, right? Like, Phoenix is really Amanda’s opportunity to make a name in this space and retain that ownership and autonomy and, and being able to kind of carve out her own destiny in a web three. So what can we do to help uplift her there and make this more of a positive story moving forward, rather than having her whole story and web three, be what happened to her before she even got involved?

Brian Fanzo 36:23
You know, and this is such a web three, you know, experience, right? Because the idea of like the founders of a company that create your movement and fans around an art and an experience that, then there’s this element of like, how are you then being removed, and having new, you know, not only new leadership, but also, you know, bringing in kind of kind of establishing all new culture is a very web the thing but I also think there’s something that really important for us to remember is that the amount of artists that continue to be ripped off and their things stolen, and are never notified or never aware, and it is this shame of so much that so many creatives that are probably in a lot of the you know, the scenarios like what Amanda was in, didn’t have the the the opportunity kind of have those people kind of coming and saying, Hey, we passionate and love the art. I’m curious, you know, Amanda from looking at, like now figuring out how to work with Crypto Chicks and the team. How does a man have feeling about the project as far as current involvement and how they’re going to hell is going to move forward.

Amanda 37:29
[native language]

Amanda (translated by Jess) 38:35
So she said, of course it needed a lot of time for them to adjust to each other to understand, especially to understand what was going on. And because it involved a lot of hate coming from people who didn’t understand and the silence was a big and they mean the situation because we didn’t like too many people talking about things that they didn’t know. But when they readjust, adjusted to in a way that she understood this new perspective. Now she feels a lot more relaxed about everything. And because this whole situation brought her a lot of anxiety. And that affected even how she felt about art itself. And now that this situation has been sorted and solved, she’s so she’s more happy and relaxed to move on. And she feels happy to have this support because she knows in the end, how this was not caused by the people who are trying to help and bring her the support that she’s having now from not only the C team but the C community as well.

Madi Lieber 39:58
I think that’s You know, one of the things that we spent a lot of time talking about with everybody on the call, and also, you know, some of the other team members is there was so much misinformation out there, right where, like people didn’t understand that the founding team had parted ways they didn’t understand that Alyssa, myself and the current CC leadership team didn’t have all of the money from mint or from secondary sales prior to when we took over. And I think that people also don’t understand what’s going on behind the scenes, right? And how long some of these conversations take when you do end up having like, legal experts and people involved who should be involved, right, it’s really important that it’s done the right way. But that takes a lot of time. And web three, the space just does not give a lot of time, right, we move at lightspeed. And so I think there was a lot of misinformation and that kind of built up a lot of flurries. But in being able to kind of cut through some of the BS and the noise that’s out there on Twitter, I feel like, you know, we have a good group chat going, we’re kind of brainstorming every single day, like different ideas. So I think there’s a lot of really good things coming, Phoenix is an opportunity for people to really invest in Amanda being able to rewrite her story in web three. So I’m hopeful that we’ll see a lot of positive momentum around that moving forward.

Brian Fanzo 41:11
I mean, and, you know, I was jokingly saying about, you know, being most impatient, you know, humans as NFT holders, but I think, you know, I think it’s actually it’s, I believe it’s unacceptable as a whole that our, you know, that we put a lot of that pressure that we can say like, we want a roadmap and we buy an NFT. And on the roadmap, it says 30 days out, they’re gonna have a video game and 60 days out there gonna be a Netflix sitcom, right, and we have to take a step back and recognize there’s not any way, shape or form that that is even possible. But I also think when it comes to humans, right, and understanding, we have to take a step back and recognize like, these are all new variables, right? And the fact that like, Amanda’s is, like, thrown into this and that didn’t ask to be not only bombarded but you’ll kind of all of this kind of pressure that on there. And then also with the new founding team coming on and saying, Okay, what do we where do you have to like to today? And then how do we move forward? And like I remember, like, one of the things I said here on the podcast back on, I think it was around episode 100. As I said, like for me, you know, whatever it happened between crypto chicks and Amanda, my belief was I was going to take equal money that I had invested in crypto chicks and invest in whatever Amanda was going to roll out and in my view, that was a way of saying hey, we were figuring things out in one way but I was going to like fully make that a big advocate side and then as I invested a little bit was like hey, is this going to be a little bit you know, is there something beautiful here in the future and and so I love that things have kind of come to life and I would love Amanda share a little bit about you know Phoenix and I actually set up on the pre mint today so I got myself my name on there but yeah Amanda would love to hear a little bit about Phoenix and that upcoming project

Amanda 42:50
[native language]

Amanda (translated by Jess) 44:49
Right. I’m gonna try and translate to the space. But for those who are unaware Despite of receiving lots of hate messages, she received a lot of invitations and people wanting to work with her. In the end she chose to do to be part of Phoenix because for her women’s support supporting women, women, empowering women is one of the most important things. If you are familiar with her arts, like if you had a look on her Instagram, you’ll see that her art previously already was part of her wealth, empowering and making sure that every women is special and empowering in relationships and your self love and all of that. But yeah, Phoenix, its has this sentiment for her, it’s very important. And, you know, we all know the Phoenix meaning the bird that comes from the ashes and she thought it makes a lot of sense for her web three story. Uh, you know, she came in into this space in a very, not nice way, let’s bend and be honest. But she has a lot of potential she knows, she knows, she knows she deserves as an artist, so much more than just one drawing. And Phoenix is what she shows her opportunities, show her art, and to show that the Word Tree has offers you the opportunity to change turn a bad situation into something positive. And like such. So like Maddy said, she doesn’t want her story to be attached to something. One, one thing Amanda is a very strong woman. And, you know, she’s not, she has been a victim of a situation, but she’s not gonna be let her let her story be led by that. And so yes, the number of the NFT’s is 9898. Because 1998 is the year of her birth. So it’s important for her, she even made some layers that were presented. And she’s including, including karma, the famous character, the we know, got famous use, including karma, and so many elements of karma in in Phoenix. Phoenix will be maintained parolee in three weeks, it’s still to be announced. And she also wants Phoenix to be related to charity, just like Fortuna that is the project incubating Phoenix. But yeah, the community will be connected. And she makes not only of course, there will be a parks, different types of parks, such as March that will be connected to multiple means. But one of the things that she wants people to always remember that one of the things will be when you meant one Phoenix, we will be maintaining and saying that you believe in this web tree change. And that’s the most important thing, you are part of this difference that you’re making into the space.

Brian Fanzo 48:38
I love that. And I mean, the art is amazing, we’re going to include all the links in the show notes, make sure that we have people that are there, check out the pre med, I mean, the website is amazing. I just love the art and, you know, born in 1998 made me feel a little old there. And but I will say, you know, the idea that, you know, Amanda is, is really inspiring, you know, not only, you know, current generations, but future generations on, you know, what is possible. And I believe this is, you know, a story that ultimately becomes I think empowering for hopefully, you other artists and creators that ended up unfortunately, in a situation, but hopefully, it’s also one that is showing that like, we no longer will be okay with people that are copying or stealing, and taking others, you know, art and representing it as their own. And, and there are ways to push for this. And I think the Phoenix name, you know, rising from the ashes is like beautifully tied there. So we will definitely support and actually the incubator side of the house is actually one of the projects that we mentioned here on men 365 as well. So we have some fun ties as far as just, you know, the projects that we’re involved in. So, Maddie, I’m, you know, as you kind of look at, you know, Phoenix and what are some of the things like from a crypto chicks perspective, how those things are gonna kind of work out and, you know, it’s kind of a beautiful synergy that there’s, you know, kind of both moving forward Word and, and I also just commend both of you for both projects being very transparent on the announcement that happened just over this past weekend. I think it’s very easy to brush over everything as if it was all sunshine and rainbows, I think it would have done a disservice for all of the work that both sides have done. So I want to put that out there just to both teams, you’re being very open and transparent. I read both threads on Twitter. And I’ll share those links in here too, because I think it adds, you know, some, you know, some really levity to this mature a much larger project or a much larger, you know, scenario than most people realize. But talk to us a little bit of Maddie about how crypto chicks is moving forward and kind of aligned with how

Madi Lieber 50:37
We didn’t want this to be a rose colored glasses whitewashing situation of what was really hard, right? Like we both teams spent a ton of time working to feel like we were getting to a good place that we could move forward in a positive way. But that doesn’t mean that everything was always positive. Right. And so I think it’s important to be authentic and and represent that piece of this as well, in order for people to really feel like we were taking this seriously. So thanks, I appreciate you saying that about all of the threads. And I think a lot of the engagement that’s been going on behind the scenes across the teams really speaks to the fact that we’re bought into this and being a collaborative effort and trying to do everything that we can to really like walk the walk and not just talk the talk in terms of supporting and I think Sarah tweeted out like such an incredibly Sarah, who’s one of the founders of Fortuna, who’s helping the launch Phoenix tweeted out a thread that was so nice about challenging, you know, preconceived notions and being open to kind of having flexibility of mindset. And I really appreciated that, I think that that’s a really nice thing for people to hear about in web three, because it’s very easy for us to get stuck in our ways and believe one thing and then never change our minds on it. So I think that that was great. In terms of moving forward, we’re really excited. I think that there is you know, the market is tough right now, no getting around that in the spirit of being authentic. But I think that this is this is about more than just like a project. This is about kind of reclaiming a narrative. And I think that’s important. So the pre med, we can put the link down below in the in the show notes as well. It’s also in the Crypto Chicks discord, and our announcements channel to win a lot less spots for Amanda’s new mint. We also have like some fun competitions that we’ll be doing on social media to get, you know, free Crypto Chick stuff to help support and bring visibility to the Phoenix Project. And then we have a couple other like top secret things that we’re thinking about to get people really excited and build some like organic momentum in a way that’s innovative and different than what projects have done in the past. Because I think this is a very different launch than what we see in the rest of the space. And it’s important to make sure that we’re approaching it that way too.

Brian Fanzo 52:50
Yeah, and I hope for those that are listening, right, when we think about these, these times, I think we have to be very, you know, not only strategic, but we have to make sure that the impact that we are using, you know, the effect that we do have no matter what its value is at the moment for causes and beliefs that that are going to make a difference and impact and I also think it’s powerful that it’s you know, a women artists and a women led team that are coming forward and setting up a new standard a new belief and, you know, maybe we can start your writing better into original contracts to prepare for some of these things that let’s face it, we don’t none of us were prepared for and I think you said you know, that piece of perspective, right? I I would challenge anyone to like put yourselves in the shoes of any of the of the players that have been involved and ask you like, like, what is it what are you tapping into from like, how we can make this better and I appreciate the transparency I also, you know, not whitewashing and not you know, putting it under the rug. And you know, for those that are are in this space, like you know, I like to tweet out a lot I say the blockchain doesn’t lie. And I part it’s partially that is like, we can’t let those that shy away and allow these things to hey, let’s wait a couple of months as the market goes down, we can just come out and people will forget what had happened and that’s the web two way that allowed us to walk into a world that was not only people were stepping on people what we had you know things like we needed a meet to movement to recognize this horrible you know, culture and environment that we’ve kind of empowered throughout our you know, our culture and so I I think there is something beautiful especially even you know from you know, Brazilian artists to be able to inspire others I will say, you know, from you know, from my three daughters, you know, to her Amanda, I had actually caveat to my daughter’s you know, can’t pick crypto chicks or can’t pick that art when you’re picking your favorite NFT because they all three were picking that art from that standpoint. So there’s three little girls here that you know were touched by Amanda’s art even before you know the conversation. I think the beauty of that is now with with Phoenix they can we can also get involved and support and and we will without question here for the podcast. We will mint that into our collection which I think is He’s kind of a beautiful bell, and we’ll make sure we share some things out as we go on that as well.

Madi Lieber 55:04
I also think it’s important to keep in mind like this is a, this is a one of those historical collections, right? This is an opportunity to be involved in something that is, in a way, the first of its kind, where unfortunately, women artists, particularly women, artists of color, have, for a very long history been undervalued for the work that they’ve provided, this is an opportunity to really recognize somebody and also basically get like a memento of this occasion, right? This is a you can meaningfully stand by and say I was a part of making this a success for somebody. And that’s, that’s a unique opportunity.

Brian Fanzo 55:37
And I will just say that, you know, there’s also just this element of like, we are all growing and becoming better humans and better things together, you know, there’s a lot of problems that we are going to approach that we don’t have experience dealing with, because we’ve, we’ve either not had the opportunity because of you know, what society has kind of decided to, you know, kind of you make an example of the world around us. But there’s also a lot of opportunities for us to figure out ways to, like, what do we learn from this moving forward in all of our projects? How do we help, you know, connect the dots, but also, how do we, how do we pay homage a lot into projects that are of that value? It’s why, you know, I bring up fame lady squad, as well as a project that, you know, as soon as I heard that original story, I immediately remember buying it and, you know, my family, the squad sits next to my crypto chick in my, in my ledger, the two that are kind of like, it’s like, that’s where they’re gonna belong. And, and that’s kind of like the treasure trove of projects that have some great, you know, not only kind of setting the way of community led, you know, reimagination of what these look like, but also, you know, there was, I think for those that left, you know, crypto chicks and, and for their own right reasons, and for their own beliefs, I think there’s something beautiful about that, kind of like looking at that. And I think during these current times, let’s, you know, it’s I think it’s important for us not to Monday morning quarterback, or go back and like a whole bunch of what ifs, but just to think about like, okay, what are the things I care most about? And what are the things that that I want to be a part of? And, and for me, it’s a no brainer. And the idea of like, how can we really set a new bar in web three that doesn’t allow doesn’t just continue on these trends of of the ways in the in the past. And this is a beautiful example. I

Madi Lieber 57:15
also think there’s something to be said right now for, you know, we’re a lot of people are consolidating. And I think that the way to do that is to consolidate into projects that you think have staying power. And I think a good signal there is if the team has gone through something really hard and come out the other side of it, you get good signal on their commitment, their operating capacity, their leadership style, their resilience, right. And those are things that are really difficult to get signal on in a space that’s otherwise like, based on anonymity. And a lot of projects have only had like rosy colored experiences so far. So you know, just from a responsible perspective, I think that there’s there’s opportunity here to invest in projects that you feel confident and leadership teams in. And I feel much better investing in a company like fame, ladies, because I know that they have gone through something that’s really tough. And they’ve been able to write the business, they have the commitment and the skills needed. And I think the crypto chicks is another one in that bucket.

Brian Fanzo 58:10
Yeah, and for all those that are project founders or working with Project founders, you know, I worked in cybersecurity for 10 years. And the thing we just always kind of promised was, you know, it’s not about, you know, how do I prevent from getting hacked? Or how do I stop, you know, a security vulnerability? It’s like, how do I deal with it when it happens? And what am I prepared to do and how committed I am to it. And so for every project, it’s an unfortunate, you know, component of this world, well, you will have crisis management, you will have things that you are going to have to adapt from, it’ll have different scales, it’ll come in different ways. But the projects that are that are pushing through that not only are pushing through to make the project better, but I believe to make the whole space better, are the ones that we have to champion are the ones that we have to believe in. And, you know, I will just say like, as we look at, you know, the Phoenix, like, for me, watching that project, you know, be successful is also a testament to our commitment to believe like, how do we remove the starving from the starving artists, and how do we make sure artists that have been violated and their art has been stolen, are are championed, and it’s, it’s one thing for us to talk a good game and with three, I’m gonna challenge everyone that listens to this, like, we need to back it up, we need to actually back up and support, you know, the projects and the people that are really willing to, you know, set this new bar and I hope that you know, we even as we move forward and there’s others that come up across this, it’s, it’s now becomes Okay, here’s an example of how we worked through it and, you know, continue growing, you know, these use cases. So, you know, Maddie and Amanda and just thanks for translating. I know, I talk a lot and I talk fast just so this was this is a challenge across the board. So I thank you, Amanda, thank you just for being involved in and Maddie, I want to throw it to you one more like from your watch what’s looking forward to I know we’re gonna get to hang out in NFT NYC. You know, I got to book under the crypto chicks block there at the hotel so I can get to hang out with you No all of that, you know, family and all those amazing holders. Talk to us a little bit about the future of crypto chicks. And what you guys what you’re looking forward to.

Madi Lieber 1:00:06
Yeah, I think you know, right now we’re very focused on NFT NYC and supporting Amanda and launching her new project for NFT NYC we’re so excited to get to meet people in person, I can say that I every single person who tells me they’re booked in the room block, I’m just like, can’t wait to walk by everyone in the halls. We have some great events that are unfortunately fully sold out. But we do have weightless available, we have a podcast that we’re coming out with. So we put out a call for people to recommend individuals that they’d like us to chat with. Hopefully we can get even anywhere close to your high quality production value and make sure that it’s a good experience for everyone who joins. And then we also will be focusing on our new collection. So honoring, like we said, The Time Machine potions that everyone got, we have some really cool creative ideas that we’re talking about there. And then the design collective I think a lot of people are really excited about that in terms of supporting women artists, women creatives, there’s a lot that are being left behind. And so making sure that we’re building out an incubator program to support them and developing the skills and launching their new collections which will be basically paired digital and physical wearables is really exciting. So we had a meeting today where we went through all of the curriculum and talked about the different mentors and sections that we’ll have and I was like, Oh my gosh, I wish I could go through this. Unfortunately, I’m not a designer and I have no creative skills so I will not be but it should be really cool. And so I think there’s a lot of fun stuff coming down the pipeline that is keeping the team really energized right now.

Brian Fanzo 1:01:31
I love that I look forward to New York as well and I’m gonna bring Justin Amanda back in just you know, I I’m excited for what is possible around a lot of this space. I think we this is a beautiful time for us to rally behind each other and you know bet all in on on the humans that are here and I you know and crypto chicks the merch came out I know in our Discord lots people are taking pictures of the merch that they received. I’m actually mine is actually at my post office I just haven’t been able to go to the post office to pick up my merch there as well and excited for the time posting and also even just you know there’s a beautiful story like we’re buying an NFT everyday here because we wanted to create kind of a time capsule of a year in NF Ts and I think that we sometimes forget like this time capsule right when we look back at February you know a year from you know from February and we can kind of assess you know what is all of this mean and all this impact all the hard work that has been put in? I think there is you know there’s only beautiful things that are to come but I think that is the the beautiful BioProject product of crypto chicks and you know I would love for you to give the last word kind of to Amanda’s you know I love that you know she joined us we were able to kind of make these you know the bring these worlds together and you know as a fan I’m curious just Amanda for any last words anything that Amanda wants to share about Phoenix or, or about this experience and we will we’ll close it all up to that

Amanda 1:02:53
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Amanda (translated by Jess) 1:03:31
Yeah, to really wants Phoenix to be an example of how women are strong. And to show that web three can really reward the artists and the good people, the good ones who have faith in what’s real. Even though there are like bad actors everywhere. But she thinks, you know, in the end, the goodness the good always always wins. And she’s on that side like all of us here. So she’s doing all her bad her best she wants to ensure that she’s giving all her soul and art into her art for this collection to be like unique and transparent, to be transparent to her astonishment in everything like the way he feels she feels how she when she’s drawing, and she wants really wants that to be remarkable. She also said that she wants to be representing women and she wants to be representing after all, she wants to be representing Brazil as well because Brazil is America. The web three is not present. Right pretty much in Brazil. She’s sure she wants to be representing the country with this collection.

Brian Fanzo 1:04:55
I love that and I’ve had the luxury and pleasure to visit Brazil only once I’ve been to 76 countries, but I’ve been there once and I fell in love instantly with Brazil and the culture and the people. And I think it web three hopefully, will allow us to continue to discover and amplify amazing artists and creatives, like Amanda and also in Empower inspire the world. And I think this is a you know, for me, this is a beautiful example of what is possible in web three. And this wouldn’t, you know, have come to light this way. And in web two, in in many of the variables every, every kind of turning part. And I think the beauty of this is that it is about what can we learn what can we empower, and how can we get great, talented, creative, like what Amanda is creating out to the world. So, Maddie, thank you so much for jumping on, I was super excited to have you here on the show. Excited to hang out in New York, Amanda and Jess, thank you so much for joining as well. We’ll make sure the show notes are there in the you know, the links are in there and just know also when you click on the prevent and, and some of those things you can say add to your calendar, right there’s, there’s the beautiful thing that we we might operate in a real time world where things are always changing. But you know, if you can put things on your calendar, we will do our best to remember or remind people. And I think the other part of this, I would just challenge us all to be to be better to be more empathetic towards those that are going through these type of scenarios or even just trying to handle anything that is coming their way a lot of this is new, a lot of this is uncharted and sometimes it’s not only unwanted, but it’s in ways that we have to kind of really tap into who we are as humans. And, you know, I’m blessed to be surrounded by some amazing women here on this show. And, and so many in this space, and I think you know, we have a long way to go. But I think these are great examples that when people talk about these are just JPEGs or they don’t understand the power of NF T’s I think this example of an amazing you know, Brazilian artists that was that unfortunately was you know, was violated just like happens in in countries and worlds and artists around the world. But we’re able to now change that narrative and hopefully now you know, take Phoenix and support that project and be involved in that project and and continue on. You’re going with what all that crypto chicks has to offer as well. So until tomorrow, my friends I know this was a long one but it was well worth every minute. Make it a great day. Cheers.

Kevin Sturmer 1:07:15
This show is not financial advice, so do your own damn research.