Fear Uncertainty Doubt: Is there ever a time FUD can be a good thing? | Episode 225

NFT 365 Podcast - Episode 225 - Fear Uncertainty Doubt: Is there ever a time FUD can be a good thing?




 In this episode I share some of the examples of recent “FUD” by both Trolls and NFT Project founders and the greater impact of this on the community as a whole and what we must take into account as we DYODR the FUD we consume.

 I also breakdown each aspect of FUD with examples of each that we must be aware of when browsing twitter or within a projects discord.

 Is there a time FUD might make sense to protect the greater WE?

 Curious how to research founders and NFT projects to investigate the validity of FUD yourself?  I share the tools, tips and even creative things to look for when researching founders.

 As always: DO YOU OWN DAMN RESEARCH and we hope you enjoy coming on this Mint 365 journey as we buy an NFT every day for 365 days: https://nft365podcast.com/mint365

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Episode 225 – Fear Uncertainty Doubt: Is there ever a time FUD can be a good thing?

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NFT 365 Podcast - Episode 225 - Fear Uncertainty Doubt: Is there ever a time FUD can be a good thing?

Kevin Sturmer 0:00
You’re listening to NFT 365. The first daily podcast on NFT is with your host Fanzo, talking crypto, blockchain, web 3, non-fungible tokens, metaverse, and

What the f*ck is a non-fungible token?

We’ll get to that. It’s time for today’s episode of NFT 365. The only daily NFT podcast minting an NF T every day for 365 days. Powered by the ADHD coin at rally.io. Here’s your host and digital futurist, the ADHD superpowered to Brian Fanzo.

This show is not financial advice. So, do your own damn research.

Brian Fanzo 0:44

Welcome back to another episode of NFT 365. And we are lights out my friend lights out and not like the lights out in the song lyrics or lights out. Like it seems like some of the NFT projects or cryptocurrencies are we’re lights out, as I just returned home from my New York trip. And sure enough, there was a storm that hit a couple days ago and the power is still out. So thank goodness for a mobile recorder that I have that has is battery powered, thankful for her having a GoPro that I was able to capture this on video. And you know, I’ll end up editing it on the computer a little bit and then driving to my local Dunkin Donuts to upload it for, you know, for everyone to consume, because the daily podcast must go on. And, you know, I talk a lot about rolling with the punches. But rolling with the punches kind of just, you know, I’ve always kind of embraced that the idea of kind of adapting on the fly. But there’s also something to be said about that not being your foolproof plan. And how you can become prepared for the unknown compared you’re prepared for you know, other things better. So that rolling with the punches isn’t, you know, kind of your only methodology, your only strategy. And that also kind of taps into, you know, when I talk about lights out is that, you know, there’s a, you know, in this space FUD. And for those that are not familiar with our term, FUD, it just stands for fear, uncertainty and doubt. And so he said, when we say something, like, hey, this person is spreading Fudd they’re usually talking bad about a person, a project, the industry a blockchain, it could be just about, you know, the founders, the artists, whatever it may be.

Brian Fanzo 2:41
And in this space, I think the reason, you know, I think the word FUD is extremely important here is because in this space, there are oftentimes financial motivations for those that spread the FUD. And then there’s also the idea of understanding that even if there’s not financial implications for the individual that is spreading the Fudd, there will definitely be financial indicators, you know, in the financial impact on, you know, the people that are the FUD is targeted towards. And I think the thing that we also have to really, really factor in here is the where, you know, the FUD comes into hurting the innocence, those that are owners or project those that are in a project. And I say all of that, because, you know, the last couple months, right, there’s, there’s been the Azuki news that came out where the azuki founder, wrote a medium blog post, explaining that, you know, he learned a lot from the first four projects that failed, you know, when he launched them back in last year, and the problem with that is they didn’t really fail, you know, they were presented kind of as a rug pull of money grab. And so that, of course, set people off, right. And, you know, I think the intentions of him, sharing that was like in the art of transparency, and also helping people see the fact that, you know, just because you failed, doesn’t mean you can’t, you know, eventually find success or learn from your mistakes. But I think that’s also comes into this massively important component, that there is a difference between failing, working as hard as you can to build a project, launching it putting everything in line, and then it not working. Versus you launching something with no ill intentions or you launching something, and then realizing, Hey, I got all this money, but I don’t feel like doing the work. And so you disappear and keep that money, right. I think we have to kind of like balance this, this whole equation. And, you know, we’ve seen some projects over the last couple of weeks that, you know, after a couple, you know, a week or two into the project, you know, they weren’t able to sell as many as they had wanted, and they decided that they didn’t want to move forward the project and they refunded everyone their ETH back. And they went, they want to go back to the drawing board. Right. And, you know, I think these are all things that are different. And then, you know, it’s like, those are things, you know, important to factor in. And then, you know, there was also we had the amazing interview with Madi and Amanda from crypto chicks and talking about, you know, the things that they had gone through when it was found out that the original artist had copied Amanda’s work, Amanda was not aware of that. And, and they, you know, they had to remove the original founders and artists from that project. Yet, there were some small petty people that still went and attacked the new founders and did it from a place of malicious intent. You know, and so they were not only spreading FUD, but they were using that as like, ammo to take down those that were holding, you know, that, you know, those NFT’s. And, you know, I feel I feel like that, to me is like one of the lowest of low things that people can do is that, if they realize they do have some influence, or they have the ability to create a little chaos, they’re doing it not, not always, you know, for their own good, but in many cases for the to hurt others. And I think that’s just a very cowardly approach of doing things. And then, of course, this week in New York City, you know, when a party goes off, right, you had Ape Fest happening for those that don’t know what Ape Fest is a fest is for anyone that holds the the Yuga lab family of NFTs, they did a concert event every night of NFT NYC, I’ve yet to attend. So I can’t really give you any of those. Those details, I don’t hold any of you go labs, NFT’s and so unfortunately, you know, I wasn’t able to qualify, or didn’t I wasn’t anyone’s plus one. This year, we can add that to you know, goals for the next time. But, you know, the, you know, ate fast, you know, there were people that were hating on, you know, quest, love being the artist and then getting mad about Amy Schumer being the comedian. Of course, you know, last night’s, you know, their final night of that eat fest. And you know, they rolled out Eminem, Snoop Dogg and Lil Wayne, which didn’t really hear many people complaining about that. But that also ties into the YouTube video that was posted online, kind of attacking the board apes, and really, you know, I would say it was a troll, I think there shouldn’t be, we could refer to this person as a troll was someone that had this idea that said, Hey, I’m going to link a lot of these things together, in hopes that it, you know, adds a little bit of conspiracy theory to pretty much the biggest project in this entire space. And then while doing so this same troll person decided to launch their own collection with the same art and make money off of it, right, which is just, you know, horrible. And this also goes into, like, do your own damn research, right? Like, we can’t, you know, just because people watch a YouTube video, and then post on Twitter and say, Oh, my gosh, I can’t believe that this project is, you know, racist, or this project is sexist, or this project, bla bla bla. And, you know, for me, as soon as I heard, you know, the information about that video, I had my I had many people that reached out to me on the DMS and like, Brian, what’s your take? What’s your thoughts on this, and my immediate thoughts were, first of all, I, I lean towards the benefit of the doubt, I honestly, will always lean towards the idea that innately, I believe people are good. And for what I’ve known about the founders and the project, and you and I was in those early clubhouse rooms, when Bored Apes launched, none of that sparked my interest or sparked my attention. But I will also say that I was like, let me watch the video, let me you know, take in all of the data, and kind of share my own, you know, let me really kind of, like soak it in. And, you know, I took in the data, or I read through a bunch of things on Twitter, I do my own research from what I could gather, through lots of different posts, I have a couple tools that I use for, you know, funny enough for influencer marketing research that allows me to actually, you know, really dive deep into different founders social footprint, right? So even if their accounts technically aren’t linked to them their name individually, if it is linked to, you know, an email or associated email or, you know, a login, it’ll actually give me a lot of data and information and I will tell you, like, from my personal opinion, and you know, this is 100% my opinion so, of course, do your own damn research. Like this. This to me is someone that not only is is trolling and reaching and has malicious intent to bring down a project for whatever their reasons may be. That is, you know, it’s kind of shameful and I think it’s unfortunate that You know, others kind of ride that bandwagon. And anyway, I wonder, you know, this is this is the part I wanted to kind of put out there as far as you know, the lights being out, right, and I’m recording this in my house that has no power at the moment, which is just funny how this all kind of comes together. You know, the idea of like crisis management or disaster recovery, or, you know, this whole idea of, you know, how do you roll with the punches or, you know, communicate during tough times. You’re the founder of your Bored Apes, Gordon, posted some tweets today, he posted a tweet thread, sharing their thoughts, like their view. And then they posted a medium article, and I’ll include a medium article here in the show notes of the podcast, where they share some information about the project that really has never been publicly put out there. Like where, why did they pick apes? Why are they on a yacht? Why is the symbol looks like a club logo? What was the origin of the BAYC? byc, I always tell I always get those backed up. So that’s where my dyslexia comes in. What was the origin I’d like the font and the style that they chose, and, and they also, you know, provide a receipts, like they have screenshots of emails, you were to dev teams from back then that show like, Hey, this is what we were asking for, this is what we got. And, you know, someone hit me up and said, Brian, what are your thoughts today have just not given this troll any more attention or any more, you know, light. And this is a sticky situation. And I think we can even let web two rules fit into web three. What I mean by that is crisis management. And, you know, you go, you know, you go high when they go low, Elena and Michelle Obama, and you know, even just the idea of, you know, how, you know, when can we bring in lawyers and what, how can we protect ourselves, you know, part of the, you know, if you are pro decentralized, you are also pro, you know, kind of wild, wild west, right? where anyone can say anything, there is no censorship, there is no filtering. And like, that is scary to me, like, I don’t believe ultimate 100% decentralization decentralization is a good thing, or anything that we will ever get to, right, the idea that, you know, I don’t want people to be able to have the right to spread hate speech, and I don’t want the people to have the right to bully and, and, you know, really break down people. But with that being said, we also have to be very aware that, you know, not only because this space is not that big, right? Like, I mean, I was at NFT NYC this week, and you know, 15,000 people there, you know, the event had doubled from the year before. But you know, yes, it was 15,000 people there, but it still felt very small, very, like, Hey, I ran into people that I knew, at every event, every party, there was people running around the street, I mean, Sammy Arriaga, who is a musician that I’ve interviewed here, who’s now become a good friend. I feel like I ran into him six times on the streets of New York City this week. But I say all that because, like part of it, there is an element of like, how do we protect our family? How do we protect ourselves? And then also, how do we take into account some of the, you know, circumstances that exists around, you know, what we do, or what we say, and what I mean by that is, let’s say that you have information or a falling out with a project founder, you exposing that project founder, and you sharing that publicly? might feel like, okay, that’s what I need to do, but we also have to factor in or like, who are the people that hold that NFT? And what will happen to them? What will happen to their investment? And because they are leveraged because they are invested in a project? Are they then going to, you know, have to side? Or how to make that really tough decision on? Do I go with like, my morals and belief and trust in the person that is sharing this information? Or do I bite down because I am, you know, I own so many of these NFT’s where I have so many these NFT’s in my wallet. And that can also go into like the person that’s actually breaking the news, right? Because like, here’s, here’s the other piece of this is like the first time as soon as I hear somebody talking bad about another NFT project. First thing I do is I want to go find their bag, I want to see what they and I’ll go through their tweets, I’ll go I’ll scroll way, way, way, way back. And I want to see if they if they previously held that project right and did they have a falling out? Right did they lose a bunch of money on a project that they loved? The project didn’t do anything really wrong, but the market kind of turned and rather than them just admit that you know the market you know, unfortunately put them in a bad situation and they had a sell low after they bought high. You know, their their view their bias there. You know where they’re coming at is coming from a place of, you know, hurt. And, and I think that’s why, you know, when we use the word, you know, or we say the phrase, you know, FUD fear, uncertainty and doubt. You know that uncertainty, or that doubt, is often ones that we really don’t actually factor in, right, we often talk to often talk about like the fear, right? The fear of missing out the fear of the rug pull, the fear of getting scammed, right, that emotional connection.

Brian Fanzo 15:30
But I will tell you right now, in these current times, the uncertainty that exists across the entire market is very prevalent. Now, I will tell you, if you were at NFT, NYC, you I’ve never been more bullish and excited about what’s coming, right, what’s possible, because there are some amazing innovators, amazing artists, amazing people there that are building some really amazing tech, and some amazing projects that some great things. And you know, I left that event, definitely more confident and excited about the future of NFT’s. But that doesn’t mean that the uncertainty of the crypto market and how regulation is going to impact that and what is the merge of Ethereum going to do? And where does Solana fit in this play? You know, we have magic Eden, and Phantom that are starting to make some big moves in the space, we have ledger that announced their most recent news of you know, adding a marketplace as well as a web three kind of launching incubator style components onto what they’re doing. You know, and then we have to also look at it, you know, there is an entire market entire world of NFTs, probably the world actually, not probably, the world of NFT’s that I love the most are the ones that are not tied to a financial component. Right, they’re the ones where we can create an internal marketplace, within a company so that your employees can share days off, they can buy and trade goods and services digitally without barriers, you know, that my you know, the the NFT’s that excite me are the ability for us to mitigate or even eliminate the ability for scam artists or copycats are those that sell, you know, knockoff purses or knock off, you know, things that are really robbing money from the original creators and the artists, you know, using NFT’s to provide that authority that you know, stamp, you know, digital footprint, you know, and also just the data sharing, right I you know, for me, when I say ownership in the with the power of NFT’s, what I really mean about that ownership is like we are going to take back ownership of our data of our information, how we track things, like I believe the credit report system that we currently have will disappear, right, I believe, the way that we manage, we buy houses and cars, the way that we determine if someone is trustworthy, the way that we even kind of examine all of these different variables, I believe a lot of that is going to be able to be changed thanks to the blockchain and our ability to create wallets and this immutable stamp into you know, authenticity and authority. And so, for me, the other part of this, the remember is that when although the market itself, right, as far as the crypto market and the PFP market, and the really the community utility market is

Brian Fanzo 18:18
is really in the uncertainty part right now, the sad truth is, a lot of what we are hearing is probably impacting those that aren’t actually impacted by the market itself. And I hope those people that are listening or maybe you know, people in your life like sharing this episode, right, I hope they continue building. I hope they recognize that the technology of blockchain is not going anywhere, right? There’s no uncertainty about the blockchain. In my personal opinion, I believe, you know, I’ve been talking about blockchain since 2014. As far as what the ledger and the concept of what the future of the internet would look like, the idea of moving to a more decentralized, you know, you’re really a, you know, a peer to peer and a place where we could remove the power from any one entity, or any one country or any one group. And so I say all that because so this in this uncertainty part, you know, the people can really prey on that, right. And they can prey on it in different ways, right, be careful, like those that are launching additional projects right now, where the first project they haven’t even delivered on their utility or they are, you know, struggling to deliver on utility or, you know, they’ve done some things that you know, I still haven’t proven themselves, you like ask yourself like, why do they need another collection? What do they need to build on there? And it might be just because they know there’s uncertainty and they believe that this is a great time to to lean on your uncertainty to get more money out of you. Right? And that I think is just you know, another component of this right because, you know, no technology no blockchain no NFT will stop bad people from doing bad things, or prevent you know, Stupid things from happening or people being able to manipulate or to, you know, provide an illusion of what’s going on. And, and so the last part of this where I think, you know, the doubt side of it, right, we have the fear, we have the uncertainty. And then doubt, you’re part of that doubt comes in where we are living in many cases, in a fish bowl, we are really surrounded and siloed. In our conversations, right, I only have nine Twitter accounts that are attached to my phone. And it’s funny when I go into my Pittsburgh Twitter account, which anyone wants to follow my Pittsburgh sports journey and my love for my Pittsburgh teams, you can check that out at @pittsburgh_fans. But it’s actually the first Twitter account I’ve ever had way back in 2009. But, you know, when I go on that Twitter account, and I’m scrolling through, and even when I see NF T’s or crypto or things about the market come up, it’s so different than the when I’m logged into my main Twitter account, I social fans account. And so I say that because the doubt component is often there based on like, if those around us we trust, are leaving the space or changing their direction or changing their tune. Now, we not only start to doubt them, but we start to doubt ourselves on the decisions that we made.

Brian Fanzo 21:22
And that can be a scary spot. And I’m going to put this out there, you know, because I think this is also important is that, you know, in this world where we are being more public and more transparent, it can be easy to be concerned about what you’re posting, how you’re posting it, why you’re posting things. But I think one of the things that we have to really work on is understanding that, in many cases, or if not many cases, most cases, when we’re sharing something, or we’re taking an action, we’re doing that based on the current data and information that we have at that time. And so it’s easy for us to go back and say with what I know, now, I was an idiot for doing these things. But we have to be very careful about that. Because at the time, what you knew you if you made the best decision for you at that time with the information you had at your disposal, then it’s hard to blame your or doubt your reasonings, right? But I think this is also a chance for us to evolve. So I will tell you, a couple of things I will give you advice for doing your own damn research in this FUD world, right is that you’ll not only do you want to Google someone’s name, or look them up on LinkedIn, if you’re trying to research a founder or even an influencer, that maybe you thought you trusted, right put them there, you can put their name into a Facebook search. Advanced search on Twitter is a great tool. If you everyone has access to advanced search, if you click on the Search bar, and then on the right hand side of the search bar, you can actually click a little Settings button and allows you to have more, you can say search for this, but don’t include this word or search for this, but only in the last six months are searched from this in 2019, whatever it may be. And then also, you know, the a lot of the conversations people have or a lot of things that go on, you know, they also use this kind of like in this dark web or this siloed web environment. Right. So I will tell you, I don’t just go into and this is probably one of the things that I can tell you that has helped me, you know, research projects. And right now we’ve been researching, you know, a lot of these free NFT’s that have been dropping here in this space. And I’ll tell you free NFT ‘s are a little harder for me to wrap my head around the research, right? Because now you know, what is the risk? The risk is, you know, just the gas fee for the most part, right, we’re we’re buying the project. But you know, for me, the risk is actually including a project in the art collection that is not worthy of being in our collection. But one of the things that I love to do. And you know, this is kind of geeky and maybe a little bit, you know, advanced not everyone has to go this far down the rabbit hole. But like when you look at a founder and you’re like, hey, I wanna jump on the projects discord, well. When you’re jumping in that projects discord, you’re only seeing what the project wants you to see. What I would recommend and this is what I do is I look at their like their PFP or I scroll through and like what is that? What is the NFT project that they love the most? I jump into that discord. And then I search their name in that discord and I see what they have posted. What is their narrative? What do they share? How are they talking about others? Because when they don’t think everyone is looking, that’s often when the truest of true colors come out. I also like to look at negative tone when it comes to attacking people or you know, things that are happening online right so you’re putting someone’s name in there and you’ll put someone’s first name last name and putting like the word scam or fraud or you know, trying to just know if there is better business bureau investigations on them or no They have a warrant for their arrest or know if they have failed at other companies, right that the company has might have. You know, I remember this one project, it was a while ago, we didn’t end up minting it for the collection. But, you know, I was doing some research and like the founders name, just something just didn’t sit right. And the fact I found out that, like the LinkedIn of the founder had created was actually under the alias. But I was able to actually find his previous business. And his previous business was under all kinds of violations, everything from, you know, firing people without cause to sexual misconduct. And I was floored because the, you know, I’d spent a couple of, you know, probably an hour researching that person and that project. And if I hadn’t taken that step further, I had, I wouldn’t have seen those skeletons in the closet. Now. This isn’t saying that people can’t change or they can’t improve, but we just have to have all of that information at our at our disposal. And so I guess for me, this is where I sit, right? I feel, you know, I

Brian Fanzo 26:08
talk a lot about the idea that I would much rather build people up, then break people down to make myself feel taller. And that is 1,000% still the case. But there is also something to be said about standing up and standing together. And being united and understanding that if someone is sharing something, or telling you know something about a project or a founder or even a platform or a marketplace, that, you know, if you’ve trusted that person before, like looking at their intentions, like what are their intentions for sharing this right? And, and then when we think about it from an attentions perspective, like, what are they getting out of it? What is the like? Is it on their brand normal to be breaking down, people are talking bad about people I know, you know, just this this week, there was a couple of people that I met in person. And unfortunately, they’re, you know, they took the time to meet, you know, to hang out with me in person to really trash another project. And I’m not even in that project. I know about the project. I’m very worried about the project, but I’m not even in that project. But that kind of was off putting for me, because if that was what they’re saying about that project, you know, what could they be saying elsewhere? And so, you know, I try to keep it as real and authentic as I possibly can here on the podcast. But there are also times and scenarios where I struggle to decide on what should I say, how should I say it? What is the impact it’s going to make not just on the person that I’m talking about, or the project that I’m talking about? But also those that are interested around that right? And how do I protect them yet also understand that the the implications are even wider than that. And, and just for clarity, there’s not one, there’s not someone I’m thinking about our project I’m thinking about in this narrative, I’m just putting it out there. And like, in these last six plus months, almost seven months that we’ve been doing this podcast, like that is something that you have to factor in into this whole this whole conversation. So I want everyone to kind of think of that I want everybody to think of where that all kind of fits in. And we also do have a pop a proof of podcast for this episode. And the answer for that one today is hoodie. So it is hoodie is the answer for that one today. So if you jump over over the website, slash pop, you can put that one in as today’s pop and we will have one more before the end of the month. So you can qualify with your four pops to become a pop star and get an NF T dropped into your wallet. And so the last piece of this is you know and it has to do a little bit with a hoodie. You know I was at an event last night and having a great old time and I had worn my hoodie from NFT NYC last year and I had taken off because it was getting hot. And so on at a party. We were at the 90s babes party and shout out to Danielle and unstoppable domains Cindy Carter, they put on a probably one of my favorite parties of the entire week. But somebody there took it upon themselves to steal my hoodie as it was sitting right behind me as I was standing on the on the you know, where the booth was where we were all dancing and having a good time. And unfortunately, someone in our community took that opportunity to swipe up my my hoodie that I had sitting there and you know, there there’s something that just sucks about that right because we talked about the idea of like a safe space and WAGMI and together we’re going to make a positive impact. But we also just have to be very clear that the world doesn’t live really in a WAGMI state. There are bad people that are going to always do bad things that are going to you know take advantage of others that are going to seize the opportunity to only think about themselves and you know what I have to say is like I hope that person that stole my hoodie he needed it because they don’t have the money to afford more hoodies, and they wanted to stay warm. And I hope that that hoodie makes them happy and it keeps them warm, and they feel like, their need to steal something from me, was was warranted. And I say that because, you know, I don’t like having hate or saying Karma is a bitch or saying paybacks a bitch or, you know, that kind of thing. Because, you know, I do want to believe in the, in the greater good of people, the greater good of an industry, and what we can do together. And I will say, lastly, you know, there are some things happening in this world today and having United States that are shocking. And for me,

Brian Fanzo 30:50
I’m really tired of being shocked, I’m tired of, of living in a state of, you know, first time or unlike any other time before or, you know, this, you know, these events that are, you know, uncharacteristic and we never saw coming. And so I really do look lean to web three, for us to be able to change these things, and stop this trend of, you know, of things being voted on or and implemented on that, you know, without question seems to be not for the greater good, but rather, for the smaller, you know, people that are in power, you know, that believe they have the right to tell other people what to do with their own bodies and making those decisions. And so, for me, I just say, like, you know, web three can have the power to shift the dynamics, right, shift the way things go. And web two has it too, right. We had the, the, the me to movement, right, we had a lot of the, you know, the, with the murder of George Floyd and what that, you know, kind of brought to light things to social and videos being shared. But I think we have even go further than that, right? What are the what is the ways that we can bring a dowel together, to raise funds and make a movement to change policy to, to influence decision makers to really take back what we believe and I do believe that is all possible. But I think more so than anything else, you have to believe in one core piece. That even when the lights are out, even when you’re rolling with the punches, even when you’re suffering with that fear or that uncertainty or that doubt, the thing that cannot leave your view, leave your perspective is that we are greater than me. And that is very important for you to think about that greater we and think about the ability that we have together to make an impact. And, you know, simple decisions or selfish acts, that give you a short term, you know, dopamine hit. But yeah, ultimately make it harder or worse on the greater community, I just think that is the lowest of lows. And I think we are better than that. And so I will, I will say, you know, we are greater than me, I believe together each one of you listeners to the podcast, you know, I always want to say thank you for sharing out the podcast. You know, that’s if you’re looking for a way to help grow or help you, if you really get a lot of value out of this content, we would love you to take the links and share them out on your social channels, you know, put no put a couple of tweets each week that are just sharing, you know, links to the podcast or posted in your favorite Facebook group or talk about it on your Instagram story or even posted on LinkedIn for those that are that are active over there that you know, all of that helps, you know, hopefully great, get more, you know, your balls, get more ear balls on the podcast, but I think also it helps us you’ll be able to really impact more and expand that greater we and so, friends keep your heads up. It’s okay to not be okay. It’s understandable to you when it feels like the lights are out as it is in my house still at this moment. And I am uncertain to when the power will come back on. I know that there are ways that I can make the most of this time or this movement or ways that I can roll with the punches and they can record this podcast and I battery powered zoom. And I can capture the video on a battery powered GoPro. And I can go up to a Dunkin Donuts that is right up around the corner that has free Wi Fi and I can upload this and get this out to everyone because even when the lights are out, it doesn’t mean things are over or that we can’t still make things happen. It’s up to us. Raise your damn hand. Press your damn button. And of course, do your own damn research. Till tomorrow my friends make it a great day. Cheers. Let’s hope the lights are on for tomorrow.

Kevin Sturmer 34:54
This show is not financial advice, so do your own damn research.